[Poll] What shall we do with the Q/A failed rings?


  • Community Helper

    Hey guys!
    As you may have seen John asked the community on KS what to do with the Q/A failed rings. See [url=https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mclear/nfc-ring/comments?cursor=6440032#comment-6440031:15ce9ele]here for the original post.[/url:15ce9ele]
    So I started this tread to have a place to talk about and make a decision.

    Please PM me with your ideas so I can add them to the poll. I'll also follow the topic closely.

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    http://swissgadgetguy.blogspot.ch/2014/04/nfc-ring-forum-poll.html

    Sorry there is no forum internal way to do this at the time. We'll work on that.



  • I like John asking for opinions about the QA failed rings. gifting would be cool, but seems impractical as so many fulfilments have gone out already. So the added cost of shipping if a package had gone out already. Maybe a set of grab bag type purchases at low cost for a mixed # of failed for cosmetic, one side failed rings would be feasible and offset costs? A lot of makers/hackers/experimenters on here would love to get a few to find cool things to do with them. Or even just backups.



  • If they've failed on one side, why can't that side be replaced? Is it cheaper to just write off that ring and produce another one, than to replace the defective inlay?

    Failing a visual inspection is another matter though. If it is just visual, and they are fully working, then maybe there is mileage in selling them as 'seconds' on the NFC-Ring store? Visual imperfections but working rings, I'm sure some people would be happy to pay less for them.



  • Hey it would be great to have a "gift" for our patience ^^ (No ring here yet ).
    Selling it as an outlet is viable I guess. I have to admit I don't get what he could do (the keep option) and I guess it would be money thrown away to destroy them.


  • Community Helper

    @shama

    If they've failed on one side, why can't that side be replaced? Is it cheaper to just write off that ring and produce another one, than to replace the defective inlay?

    I think the problem is the work you would put in it. You would have to take all the clear coating and the inlay out, clean the ring perfectly, then reinsert a new inlay, put the coating on it, and polish it. So it's a lot of work and I think making new ones is just cheaper. Maybe the factory pays for it as they didn't do a good job in Q/A themselves.

    I'll ask if it's possible to fix them id so I'll add a do it yourself fix option.



  • Fixing one with a bad side would be something that many (myself included) would like the challenge of doing. or even beyond that, finding some unique use for the opening in the other side. Either just plain aesthetic oir technological. bring it on.


  • Community Helper

    I asked John about it. He doesn't think it possible to fix it. The problem is all the coating and glue.


  • Community Helper

    @shama, @LoganFive, it's something I talked with John about a little while back and he was of the opinion that it was far easier to just buy a new ring. By all means put forward your ideas and desires though, John has followed the community's desires before when there have been enough people wanting something.


  • Community Helper

    Didn't quite finish my thought there - I'd be more than happy to be able to purchase seconds at a reasonable discount so I could hand them out to people I think would be interested in them. They could then go ahead and buy their own completely working ring from John.

    Perhaps offer a grab bag of different sizes and styles, first come first served (as LoganFive suggested)?
    If this happens, I'll be in it.


  • Community Helper

    I've updated the introducing post so there is a link to the poll now



  • @Lafunamor said:

    I've updated the introducing post so there is a link to the poll now

    It doesn't seem to register votes.


  • Community Helper

    can you please try again



  • It now says 2 votes, so I guess it worked.


  • Community Helper

    Thanks! Guys please inform me if there are problems with the poll or if you know any better poll system we could use



  • I'm split between "Gift to backers" and "Sell in outlet stores".

    If you can somehow recover that ring by removing the finish, peeling out the faulty NFC inlay and sealing in a new one, all without damaging the ring itself, then it should definitely become a refurbished unit that's available for sale in an outlet type store (or on the NFC Ring store as a refurb'd unit).

    However, if the QA failed rings are not salvageable, then you might as well give them away to backers! If the NFC tags themselves have failed, then the ring itself is essentially useless to anybody who's looking for a NFC-enabled accessory. It suddenly becomes just a ring. A nice titanium ring though!


  • Community Helper

    @asbath at this point I gather the NFC ring team would find it easier to not refurb rings, it's probably cheaper and quicker to have the factory make a completely new ring.
    Personally I'd love to be able to get down and dirty with them though, I get attached to 'my' jewellery and theres a certain sense of pride in being able to fix your gear yourself eh.


  • Community Helper

    @Lafunamor said:

    I asked John about it. He doesn't think it possible to fix it. The problem is all the coating and glue.

    see above ;-)


  • NFC Ring Team

    @asbath said:

    I'm split between "Gift to backers" and "Sell in outlet stores".

    If you can somehow recover that ring by removing the finish, peeling out the faulty NFC inlay and sealing in a new one, all without damaging the ring itself, then it should definitely become a refurbished unit that's available for sale in an outlet type store (or on the NFC Ring store as a refurb'd unit).

    However, if the QA failed rings are not salvageable, then you might as well give them away to backers! If the NFC tags themselves have failed, then the ring itself is essentially useless to anybody who's looking for a NFC-enabled accessory. It suddenly becomes just a ring. A nice titanium ring though!

    The problem we have though is that not all Q/A failed rings are created equal so to speak

    The failures could go into

    a) Fail Visual

    b) Fail Read (99% one side)

    c) Fail Read and Fail Visual

    Only 1% of rings have fail reads on both sides. So the rest of them are split between rings that look great but only work on one side and rings that are visually not perfect but perform to expectation.

    It would be great if we could do some combination of all the options (apart from destroying them). There are some rings which look really really good and it would be a shame to see them potentially be destroyed. It's a really tricky one trying to work out which could be the best route to take.


  • Community Helper

    Accoring to @NFCringTom suggetion I edited my site and added polls for the four sets of failed ring. I've also made them multiple choice so you guys can select more options.

    Please note that you have to re vote.
    @asbath @LoganFive @Lokki @Memnoch @shama @skaiiol

    Link: http://swissgadgetguy.blogspot.ch/2014/04/nfc-ring-forum-poll.html


  • Community Helper

    Just to add something into the mix, even the failed read rings might have their uses - I have one failed inlay on a ring I have for testing purposes. I've found that it's impossible to distance read, and I do mean impossible. But if I place it against a reader and exert the most minimal amount of pressure the chip comes back into contact with the antenna and reads 100%.

    I kinda like that.


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