[Poll] What shall we do with the Q/A failed rings?
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@Lafunamor said:
John asked the community on KS what to do with the Q/A failed rings. See here for the original post.
So I started this tread to have a placeattach them to a nice card which says
"Hi I'm a visually failed ring, I'm yours for free, if you like me and find a use for me, please order a new ring at http://store.nfcring.com/"
then send me about 20-30 of them and I will give them out at work. I work in an IT firm so they will definitely generate interest, and hopefully more sales :)
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OK so replying to my own post, Iv since watched the 30 min update video, and now understand this can't cost anything. I still think they could somehow get used for marketing. Also perhaps sold to the community in bags of 20 or 50 or 100 random rings for the cost of delivery.
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I definitely like the idea of using them as marketing instrument. I would love to have some to give to my friends who are asking me about my ring so they can try and get sucked in ;-)
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Infos about the Q/A failed rings from John
http://youtu.be/FL5NOA3ncv0?t=24m17s -
You might think about donating it to makerspaces across the world. They would take the rings and build great products around them! I know of a new starting makerspace in the Yukon (Canada) that would love to play with these. Checkout yukonstruct.com! :)
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+1 for @anlek's idea there. I think that would be a brilliant marketing tactic.
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@anlek said:
You might think about donating it to makerspaces across the world. They would take the rings and build great products around them! I know of a new starting makerspace in the Yukon (Canada) that would love to play with these. Checkout yukonstruct.com! :)
This is a fantastic idea ... I was actually logging on to suggest the same!!! I am a member of Kansas City's oldest hackerspace ... CCCKC ... http://www.c3kc.org/ We are located in the United States in Kansas City, Missouri.
The people in our hackerspace won't care if there are visual imperfections ... no... they will concentrate on the technology and discover what can they do with it ... these people have creative minds and are tinkering with all kinds of technology. I would love to have some rings sent to our hackerspace to experiment with!! We are involved in the Maker Faires that are popping up all over ... some of our members travel from one edge of the country to another sharing their projects at these different Maker Faires.
Let me know if you are interested so I can supply our new address. Our group is moving in about 10 days to a new location which will be located inside a university with a lot of students in an electronics engineering program, programming students, networking students ... just to name a few. What a great project that would be to inspire us ... and I bet even attract new members to our club!
Sharon
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@LoganFive said:
Fixing one with a bad side would be something that many (myself included) would like the challenge of doing. or even beyond that, finding some unique use for the opening in the other side. Either just plain aesthetic oir technological. bring it on.
I am sure the people in my hackerspace would consider it a challenge to try to accomplish! :-)
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Just watched the long video, and here's my thoughts on the 'what to do with 6000 visual fail rings'.
- Definitely don't sell them in bags of 100 to backers. As you say, this will just cause a flood of poor quality rings to appear on eBay.
- Selling to backers for cost of shipping/packaging is ok, but limit it to 1 or 2 per backer.
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You guys should send QA failed rings out to backers who haven't received a damn thing yet ASAP.
It's the least you can do for those of us who have been waiting a long time, and still have no end in sight. -
It's difficult to be part of the last batch to be delivered, I understand this entirely. John and the rest of McLear co are still working hard to complete all orders, I think it does bear some consideration and I'll suggest that.
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Yea I agree I think we should be:
a) Sending out to hacker spaces
b) Sending visual fail rings to backers who haven't had their order yet, however these rings should be sent with their order.If someone wants to start reaching out to hackerspaces and maybe put together a pack of resources IE Arduino/PN532/door lock suggestions for them to use the rings with??
It would be nice if at the same time we could sell those items through the NFCRing.com store but we're so swamped with rings/fulfillment/pre-orders/hacking on a car starter that I don't know if we can take that on too!
RE Hackerspaces I think we will need a name.address and email address and we can do the rest internally?
J
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Sound ideas there, we shouldn't expect the world from John and the team - postage twice is too much to ask with everything else that has been offered so far.
Perhaps if someone wants to put their hand up for putting together a hackerspace resource pack I could pitch a Qa visual fail ring your way... Volunteers?
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Seems intersting ...
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@johnyma22 said:
Yea I agree I think we should be:
b) Sending visual fail rings to backers who haven't had their order yet, however these rings should be sent with their order.Noooooo! Part of the problem with those of us who've not received a single ring yet is often it is because we pledged/supported more and went with The Collection. But because our rings won't be sent until the entire Collection is ready we're sitting waiting while those around us who only pledged for a single ring have already got theirs. Giving us a visual fail ring would ideally happen right now so that we've got something to play with, right now. Otherwise we'll still be sitting with no ring to play with and the promise of yet another ring at some unspecified point in the future. At that point we won't really care so much about the visual failed ring because we'll have our real rings (* except for those that got switched for CF, or stealth bomber replacements)
Or is that just me?
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@shama Simply put though, we can't afford two lots of postage for the outstanding orders ;\
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@johnyma22 said:
Simply put though, we can't afford two lots of postage for the outstanding orders ;\
So what if we sent you a quid or two (those of us in the UK)? Forget fancy packaging, how heavy is a ring?
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@shama said:
So what if we sent you a quid or two (those of us in the UK)? Forget fancy packaging, how heavy is a ring?
While that would be a nice solution you've got to make allowances for how that will affect packaging and dispatch of current orders - you're adding a whole new 'order' list along with collection of the postage and packaging fee for each one. It potentially slows down the process for current orders which makes things worse again!
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@Lokki The trouble is the reason of "it will slow down dispatch" has been used also to explain why updates don't appear when they should too ... and from the perspective of people who haven't received any rings an additional delay of the half-day it takes to produce an update is nor a good one. Looking at the KS page nearly all of the raging would be non-existent if communication was (a) regular and (b) factual. What annoyed people the most was not knowing what was happening, and then closely followed by updates that were based on intentions (like the one that said Collections were starting to be shipped, but something else went wrong and that looking-ahead statement was then wrong).
But believe it or not I am being patient. I was expecting my rings in October, just in time for a sibling's birthday. Then Christmas, just in time for an xmas present instead. Now we're at the end of June and I'm still waiting patiently. If the others who are in the minority I'm in (not having received a ring) are anything like me then the single thing that would make them the happiest right now is to get their hands on a ring ... even a visually failed one, or a one-sided one. Receiving one at the same time we get our order will be nice, but will not have nearly the same impact as getting one right now, because by then we'll have our rings.
At this point a delay to our order of a half-day, day, heck even a week, is pretty insignificant if it means we can definitely, absolutely, get a ring in a week. Otherwise we're still just in this situation of getting our order at some unspecified time in the future. When? Who knows. It's been over two weeks since a KS update has been posted, although John did post in the comments 4 days ago that there was a new problem with high QA fails on the alphas ...
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@shama I can understand that point of view, but mine is that I'm also waiting on a collection... and the delays could conceivably put me out by forcing a longer wait. My view probably isn't an isolated one, wanting focus instead of sideways segues into pandering to the masses to stop the weeping and incipient tears.
The trouble with something like that is that if you offer it to one, it has to be offered to all really or the cries of 'unfair, what about me' end up ten times worse than the displeasure of waiting ever was. Then everybody does it and suddenly that's all the packing and dispatch team is able to focus on due to backer displeasure.It's a matter of perspective really, I'm continually surprised by how off the reactions can be in this project. If you want to see real backer pain then anything by smARtMAKER is an interesting read (I backed something by them on IGG in a fit of foolishness). These guys trampled roughshod over their backers and appear to have disappeared into the great blue unknown with several large wads of cash and yet their backers are still defending them - here, John and the team look like they're dancing the limbo 'cause they're bending over backwards to please people and yet they cop a very vocal minority's displeasure, regularly. I don't get that at all, it's strange to me.
At this point in time I would say that almost all of those still waiting are because of ring changes be it due to PVD or carbon fiber or other unforeseen circumstances. It's pretty safe to assume that all those still waiting are going to be taking advantage of free ring vouchers, as well as a QA visual fail into the bargain. How much more can we expect of John to keep people happy, really? Bear in mind also that things at this point (and for some time now) have been well and truly outside the funds raised in kickstarter.
I also want to point out that you not receiving a collection doesn't mean that no collections were shipped, some were but others were affected by the Alpha ring problem which also affected some single and double orders.
