@david-verbeck Nice idea David! Unfortunately it's unlikely this would work effectively using NFC, as you'd need to be really close to the reader to register (< 4cm). You'd then also need to have a powered reader around your neck also.
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RE: Can anyone confirm whether NFC payment can be programmed?
it's not possible to copy your debit/credit card on to a normal NFC Ring - those instructions are nonsense.
Google APIs we use for NFC Ring Unlock removed
Sadly Google decided to remove the APIs we need for NFC Ring Unlock and therefor it's no longer available for Android Users.
The APK is still available for those who wish to sideload.
Apologies for this but as you can imagine it's out of our hands.
All hail our new overlords \o/
RE: Door locks that work with the payment ring.
Hey guys I updated the Google Spreadsheet w/ what door locks work w/ the SLE77 or not so please refer to that :)
RE: Using the Payments Ring in day to day use.
Hey @jasok2 thanks for taking your time and sharing this.
Agreed if it opened Samsung doors like the OPN et al then it would be great. It does work with some door locks and we have some partnerships where we're extending that but it's still annoying that Samsung don't seem to want to support the full NFC stack ;( We have reached out on several occasions but made very little progress!
- Hah yeah, thankfully I tend to go to the same places and after the first few times the novelty wears off for the cashier! I'm not one for lots of small talk so I actually found this a little annoying but now I have a copy/paste response when I get a "wow omg what is that?" type question! What's even more weird is seeing some completely random guy using your technology to pay and how they explain it to cashiers (which is obviously pretty different form me)!
- Haha yea, it's actually kinda weird how cashiers/merchants know some little about the hardware used to interface between a card and their customer. As soon as you go slightly off piste with a use case they aren't comfortable. Payment Schemes are trying to educate people especially around contactless and we will see this get better over the coming years.
- Yea that's when readers go faulty I'm afraid, not much we can do about that ;( You might also find readers which are in non EMV compliant environments such as in big metal boxes in car parks (#1 culprit) will fail consistently. This is purely due to poor engineering implementation.
- There is a specific model of reader that looks like it causes/creates a debounce situation, we know about the engineering problem and it's been solved by a specific manufacturer a few years back so as new terminals roll out this wont be a problem. More on this below..
- Yea, see #5..
More on 5 & 6 from the engineering side..
Disclaimer: Massively oversimplifying things..
The way the chip in the ring works is it ramps up power consumption from the magnetic field (inductive coupling) and then "attempts the transaction"..
The reader recognizes the ring in field, powers it up, the reader then requests the authorization for the transaction and this causes the ring to attempt to pull additional power from the field which unfortunately on those terminals is unavailable. So the ring at this point does a kind of "brown out" which causes a "debounce" type scenario where the reader will display something like "only present one card" or "multiple cards present", this is because the chip/IC in the ring essentially went back to step 0 where the reader wanted to be at step 3/4.
The fix put in place a while back by the reader company was to increase power available in the field after ring is detected prior to the transaction.. Obvious really but it was in line with the EMV requirements of supporting wearables at range across terminals.. It causes the terminal to use a tiny amount of additional power for the duration of the transaction but that's it.
Being on the bleeding edge has it's costs but we're all working hard to improve the infrastructure and the devices :)
So to improve #5 & #6 we just have to sit tight I'm afraid and wait for those terminals to be phased out.
@jasok2 if you can let me know the error you get when you try #5 I can validate my above assumption!
Thanks again for taking your time and supporting our work :)
RE: Iphone 7 with NFC ring?
It is possible to read the ceramic rings with an iPhone 7 and up, with iOS11+ installed. But as Andreas said - Apple have still locked things down for the most part. You would have to write to the ring using a different device, generally speaking.